Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

[david12]

The Valsayn "House of Horrors" case has taken a potentially bizarre twist as there is now some doubt about whether it was Hannah Mathura's body that was found last week.

The skeleton, according to police sources, may have belonged to a male, meaning Hannah may still be unaccounted for.

From 8:45 am on Wednesday, police returned to the family home at Butu Road, Valsayn. Officers began asking relatives on the compound questions. Shortly after, members of the canine unit arrived with a cadaver dog. Ten minutes later, an excavator from the regional corporation arrived and went to the back of the compound to begin digging. The parents of Hannah Mathura were questioned by police but were released on Tuesday.

This is a developing story.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/police- ... c5af27a8fd

There's a new development according to Guardian Media

[gastly369]

Deforqqq

[88sins]

sumn telling me, they gonna find more than one corpse on that property

buh lewwe see

[gastly369]

Hearing of more body parts found.. Unconfirmed

[paid_influencer]

mustb d bandit who fall through the window?

[88sins]

Hearing of more body parts found.. Unconfirmed

Thing is, a person who would bury a human body in their yard, not normal, and would have probably done it more than once

[pugboy]

quite a task to handle all the cutting up and cleaning down the place after
esp the innards, shoveling that up ain’t a trivial task to do by yourself in a short space of time

[88sins]

quite a task to handle all the cutting up and cleaning down the place after
esp the innards, shoveling that up ain’t a trivial task to do by yourself in a short space of time

Not unless you done it a few times and had time to figure out how to be the most efficient at it it ain't

[alfa]

quite a task to handle all the cutting up and cleaning down the place after
esp the innards, shoveling that up ain’t a trivial task to do by yourself in a short space of time

Not unless you done it a few times and had time to figure out how to be the most efficient at it it ain't

But pops not looking like he could even dig one grave by himself much less multiple. Not appearing to be a one man operation. Wrong turn comes to mind

[fokhan_96]

But in all seriousness, if you have to bury a body, why would you bury it in a hole just 1 foot deep in your own yard...

[st7]

i love it when the experts come out and add their 2 cents

[pugboy]

digging a deep hole ain’t as easy as it looks
trust me
you need a pickaxe to cut into the dirt and shovels to move the material out

But in all seriousness, if you have to bury a body, why would you bury it in a hole just 1 foot deep in your own yard...

[pugboy]

that’s what this forum is here for

i love it when the experts come out and add their 2 cents

[88sins]

But in all seriousness, if you have to bury a body, why would you bury it in a hole just 1 foot deep in your own yard...

Two words.
Nosy neighbors.

It's not easy to dispose of a whole body. No matter how you wrap it up, if anyone sees you carrying it, they going to find it looking like a corpse, and is ppl looking at you funny and noticing someone in your house missing.
But if you have a corner of your yard that ain't visible to the neighbors, well there you go.

The alternative is to chop it up into a minimum of 5 pieces and bag it up, and transport it FAR AWAY for disposal, and even that easier said than done. Most people don't have the stomach for that. Especially if its a relative. Femur and humerus and spine ain't easy to cut through with a blade. Not saying yuh can't cut through them with a cutlass, but a hacksaw would work faster with less mess and noise.

[maj. tom]

The police supposed to have a presser today. Enough of the half details and intense speculation (mostly angry and wrong) from the public.

[maj. tom]

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/doubt-over-whether-remains-found-last-week-are-hannahs-6.2.1955561.8ddf14af2a

Joshua Seemungal

Senior Multimedia Journalist

joshua.seemungal@guardian.co.tt

Are the skeletal remains found in a shallow grave at a family compound at Butu Road in Valsayn South eight days ago those of Hannah Mathura?

The answer to the question seemed unclear up to yesterday evening, after police made another trip to search for skeletal remains at the property earlier in the day and came up empty-handed.

According to police and forensic sources, there are now serious uncertainties that the skeletal remains they found during their first search of the compound are of a female, meaning Hannah may still be missing.

Guardian Media was informed that forensic professionals are now leaning towards the possibility that the remains are those of a man, throwing the case in a direction few saw coming.

However, the results of further tests, including DNA tests, will now have to be used to confirm the sex and identity of the body.

At 8.45 yesterday morning, less than a day after two heads of the Mathura family were released from police custody, T&T Police Service officers returned to the family compound.

Officers began by questioning relatives on the compound, but there was no sign of the mother and father released by police on Tuesday. There was also no sign of the Mathura children.

Initially, Guardian Media was allowed to stay fairly close to the compound—on the opposite side of the street.

Around 15 minutes after the first officers arrived at the scene, the Canine Unit arrived with a cadaver dog.

The dog sniffed the full area of the compound and seemed to pick up something towards the backyard. Not long after, a Tunapuna/Piarco Regional Corporation heavy vehicle brought an excavator to the site.

The excavator operator soon began digging up a vast expanse of the big yard.

Police then moved Guardian Media out of the area, cordoning off the end of Butu Road as an active crime scene. Police guarded the top of the road. The digging continued for four hours.

According to senior police sources, however, no bodies or evidence was recovered from the scene.

Officers remained tight-lipped about yesterday’s operations on the property.

However, the T&T Police Service is expected to field questions from the media about the case during its weekly press briefing today.

While police cordoned off the street and the faint sound of the excavator’s bucket could be heard during the excavation process, residents of the Valsayn community—full of lavish houses, with towering walls and well-maintained properties—slowed down in their vehicles to peep down the street towards the home.

There was an eerie, haunting feeling to it all. The thought of another body being discovered at the property unnerved residents.

Despite the suffocating midday heat, a resident stopped his vehicle with his baby daughter in the backseat and rolled down his windows to ask questions. When he heard the latest developments, he shook his head in disgust. He recalled that a few weeks ago, he was walking near the house in question and he heard two people fighting bitterly. He said he heard screams and what sounded like a physical altercation. He said he ran off in fear. He said when he read in the news that a body was found at the property last week, he assumed it may have been linked to that altercation.

A KFC delivery driver also dropped by to ask questions. He, too, shared a story. He said two weeks ago he made a delivery to someone on the family compound where the body was found. Finding the vibe of the place to be strange and somewhat bizarre, he said he asked about the Mathuras because he noticed what seemed like a child looking out of windows. He said he was told by the person who ordered the food that they had nothing to do with the family and were not on good terms.

Last Tuesday, skeletal remains were found in a one-foot deep grave at the Butu Road home. Police were reportedly told of the body by someone living on the family compound. Initially, police and forensic professionals believed it was a female body—18-year-old Hannah Mathura. It was claimed by police sources that the body had been buried for around seven years and that an autopsy revealed the person died from a gunshot wound to the head.

Last Friday, the two family members were arrested. They were released on Tuesday after Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard said more evidence was needed to lay charges against the 66-year-old man and 62-year-old woman. Because of the reclusive lifestyle of the Mathura family, according to relatives and South Valsayn residents, very little is known about the Mathura household. Some residents claimed they made calls over the years to report concerns about the household, but the TTPS said it received no official reports.

Investigators vow to strengthen case

Officers probing the death of Hannah Mathura say the investigation is far from over.

The promise came after Director of Public Prosecutions Roger Gaspard ordered the officers to release Mathura’s parents from custody on Tuesday evening and continue working on the investigation surrounding her death.

Mathura’s parents were the main suspects in her death and had been in custody since last week.

A police source said the challenge with the investigation may have been the time constraints to gather sufficient evidence in the matter to justify the laying of charges.

“It's not an easy situation and the fact that no one ever reported her (Hannah) missing, means that they have had to start the investigation from scratch, which means we had a relatively short time to get the evidence together,” the police source said.

Despite this, the source promised that detectives will continue to revisit different aspects of the case, “strengthen” their evidence, noting there were also scientific aspects of the matter that needed to be clarified before returning to the DPP again.

However, one officer also expressed concern about the fact that the suspects were released without charges being laid, noting there are no mechanisms that would compel the main suspect to remain in one place if the police were seeking to re-arrest him.

“It's not like bail conditions where someone who has already been charged would be mandated to report to a police station and check in or sign a register,” the officer said.

“In a situation like this, the person has free reign to go wherever they like, for all we know he may even leave the territory and this is what we would have to deal with.” —With reporting by Jensen La Vende & Shane Superville

[maj. tom]

meanwhile... what happened to that graveyard in sealots? That sound much worse than this eh.

[pugboy]

them police aint find nuthin and because the dpp throw out the possible case they just using big stick approach to make it look like they getting somewhere
ie "investigations ongoing"

[pugboy]

btw wha bout paria tragedy ?

meanwhile... what happened to that graveyard in sealots? That sound much worse than this eh.

[alfa]

The article stated "Officers began by questioning relatives on the compound, but there was no sign of the mother and father released by police on Tuesday. There was also no sign of the Mathura children"
Well no chit, what did they think would happen after releasing the suspects? Bones and gender of said bones aside, what we do know is that there is/was a girl named Hanna Mathura. While she was never reported as missing she is yet to be found and the people best able to explain her whereabouts are the original suspects. If was a ghettho youth the cops woulda squeeze he stones already, figurately or literally.

[Dizzy28]

The article stated "Officers began by questioning relatives on the compound, but there was no sign of the mother and father released by police on Tuesday. There was also no sign of the Mathura children"
Well no chit, what did they think would happen after releasing the suspects? Bones and gender of said bones aside, what we do know is that there is/was a girl named Hanna Mathura. While she was never reported as missing she is yet to be found and the people best able to explain her whereabouts are the original suspects. If was a ghettho youth the cops woulda squeeze he stones already, figurately or literally.

How do you know TTPS didn't do this and it turned up no extra info?

[VII]

I mentioned in a previous thread that was probably exaggerated and sensationalized . Maybe bones from one body and animal bones spread all over the place.

meanwhile... what happened to that graveyard in sealots? That sound much worse than this eh.

[nervewrecker]

I mentioned in a previous thread that was probably exaggerated and sensationalized . Maybe bones from one body and animal bones spread all over the place.

meanwhile... what happened to that graveyard in sealots? That sound much worse than this eh.

Don't they use the hip and lower jaw bone to figure if it's male or female?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Don't they use the hip and lower jaw bone to figure if it's male or female?

I was wondering the same thing

[VII]

DNA is the most accurate method I believe..if available depending on condition of bones .

[alfa]

The article stated "Officers began by questioning relatives on the compound, but there was no sign of the mother and father released by police on Tuesday. There was also no sign of the Mathura children"
Well no chit, what did they think would happen after releasing the suspects? Bones and gender of said bones aside, what we do know is that there is/was a girl named Hanna Mathura. While she was never reported as missing she is yet to be found and the people best able to explain her whereabouts are the original suspects. If was a ghettho youth the cops woulda squeeze he stones already, figurately or literally.

How do you know TTPS didn't do this and it turned up no extra info?

Because if they had they couldn't have turned up with no extra info. It's either he said the girl died and produced a death cert or say she's studying abroad and simply call her to confirm etc. The parents must know and say where they daughter is or is buried and the funeral home must have the record. And if the cops did find out I think they would have simply told the media ' the girl safe and is currently studying art history in France' or whatever. Unless it is as people are speculating

[*KRONIK*]

I mentioned in a previous thread that was probably exaggerated and sensationalized . Maybe bones from one body and animal bones spread all over the place.

meanwhile... what happened to that graveyard in sealots? That sound much worse than this eh.

Don't they use the hip and lower jaw bone to figure if it's male or female?

Correct

[maj. tom]

What if Hannah Mathura not even missing .... existed at all?
We getting the most info from the journalists on the scene, but only what the police telling them.

Somehow I just feel this going to end up like a typical legendary unsolved and unresolved case in this country that we the public just have to let go eventually and 20 years later some newspaper history article might mention it and left to make personal inferences. There are many.

What a terrible tragedy of suffering overall.

[Nexus]

Or did they raise a son as a daughter?

[alfa]

Many decades later when one of the kids are on their deathbed about to croak they may decide to spill the beans to clear their conscience before they cross over