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Hannah Mathura’s parents charged with murder

Postby Trinispougla » October 16th, 2024, 8:49 am

bout time and took way too long. if you going to treat your children this way, then why the hell are you making them

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby pugboy » October 16th, 2024, 9:53 am

likely first defence will be some insanity plea

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby hover11 » October 16th, 2024, 10:44 am

pugboy wrote:likely first defence will be some insanity plea
More than likely wouldn't fly, Hannah was buried years ago in the back yard while those two were living their best life in society , can't come now after the fact of being charged to plead insanity.

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby st7 » October 16th, 2024, 10:56 am

yeah cause who in their right mind could live 'their best life' with a daughter buried in their yard?

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby j.o.e » October 16th, 2024, 1:53 pm

hover[emoji637][emoji637] wrote:
pugboy wrote:likely first defence will be some insanity plea
More than likely wouldn't fly, Hannah was buried years ago in the back yard while those two were living their best life in society , can't come now after the fact of being charged to plead insanity.


Doesn’t matter he gonna die of old age before case completes

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby pugboy » October 16th, 2024, 2:16 pm

depends if he have lawyer who could delay stunt

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby hover11 » October 16th, 2024, 2:36 pm

j.o.e wrote:
hover[emoji637][emoji637] wrote:
pugboy wrote:likely first defence will be some insanity plea
More than likely wouldn't fly, Hannah was buried years ago in the back yard while those two were living their best life in society , can't come now after the fact of being charged to plead insanity.


Doesn’t matter he gonna die of old age before case completes
True , they will get bail and case wouldn't call for probably another 10 years, gotta love this judicial system.

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby redmanjp » October 16th, 2024, 3:38 pm

https://newsday.co.tt/2024/10/16/hannah-mathuras-parents-in-court-charged-with-her-murder-remanded-to-prison/

Hannah Mathura's parents in court charged with her murder, remanded to prison

SEVEN months after the skeletal remains believed to be those of Hannah Mathura were found in a shallow grave at the family’s home in Valsayn, her parents made their first appearance in court charged with her murder.

Andrew Mathura, 66, and his wife Alana Mathura, 63, appeared before Master Sarah de Silva from the Tunapuna police station on October 16.

It is alleged that on a day unknown, between July 8, 2017, and March 13, 2024, at Butu Road, South Valsayn, they murdered Hannah Mathura.

They were not called on to enter a plea, since the charge against them was laid indictably.

They were told if they met the requirements of the Bail (Amendment) Act 2024, they may apply for bail. Until then, Master de Silva remanded them to prison.

The amendment to the Bail Act, proclaimed by the President in July, allows a judge or master to grant bail for an indictable offence where the person charged “can show exceptional circumstances to justify the granting of bail.”

“Bail is only granted in exceptional circumstances. If you are able to meet the requirement an application is to be filed and listed on the next Friday after it was filed,” de Silva told the couple.

She also advised them they had 28 days to provide an alibi warning to the court or the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

The prosecution has until October 28 to disclose initial details to the defence, and the police have to send their completed file to the DPP by January 15, 2025.

An indictment and evidence must be filed by April 16, 2025, or on April 23, the master will discharge the accused or apply sanctions on an application by the defence.

The defence was given until July 11, 2025, to file its evidence and alibi notice. Both sides have until September 16 and October 16, 2025, to file submissions. If either side needs an extension, they can apply to the court, supported by evidence before the March 25, 2026 status hearing.

A sufficiency hearing has been set for April 1, 2026.

The police prosecutor, legal officer Insp Ashley Mongroo, told the master there were 26 prosecution witnesses. Some 12 statements are already in hand and 14 outstanding. The evidence against the two also includes post-mortem and DNA reports, photographs, medical certificates, clothing and a piece of red cloth.

Mungroo also said there were three interviews from the accused, two from Mrs Alana Mathura and one from her husband, and the nature of the evidence included “utterances and witnesses' accounts.”

He admitted the evidence was “mainly circumstantial.”

Andrew Mathura was represented by attorney Tahirah Davis Gibson. His wife was represented by Steffon Boodooram.

The couple was charged on October 15 after homicide investigators received instructions from DPP Roger Gaspard, SC, earlier in the day.

Hannah Mathura, 18, was last seen in June 2017. Her remains were found in the backyard of her home on March 12. A relative allegedly told police she had been killed and buried there. The remains showed what appeared to be a gunshot wound to the skull.

The Mathuras were initially arrested two days after the remains were found, but a week later the DPP ordered their release and directed the police to continue working on the investigation into the teenager’s death.

Authorities faced difficulties in proving the remains were Hannah’s, but DNA test results in April helped them to confirm the identity of the remains by a process of elimination. A senior police officer explained to Newsday the results could not conclusively prove the remains were Hannah's, as there was no sample from her for comparison. The officer said from the information available, the police "deduced" the remains were hers.

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby Trinispougla » October 17th, 2024, 10:13 am

hover11 wrote:
j.o.e wrote:
hover[emoji637][emoji637] wrote:
pugboy wrote:likely first defence will be some insanity plea
More than likely wouldn't fly, Hannah was buried years ago in the back yard while those two were living their best life in society , can't come now after the fact of being charged to plead insanity.


Doesn’t matter he gonna die of old age before case completes
True , they will get bail and case wouldn't call for probably another 10 years, gotta love this judicial system.

the TT judicial system, as poor as it is had murder as a non-bailable offence until the privy council, foreigners ruled that it was apparently inhumane.

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby hover11 » October 17th, 2024, 10:18 am

Trinispougla wrote:
hover11 wrote:
j.o.e wrote:
hover[emoji637][emoji637] wrote:
pugboy wrote:likely first defence will be some insanity plea
More than likely wouldn't fly, Hannah was buried years ago in the back yard while those two were living their best life in society , can't come now after the fact of being charged to plead insanity.


Doesn’t matter he gonna die of old age before case completes
True , they will get bail and case wouldn't call for probably another 10 years, gotta love this judicial system.

the TT judicial system, as poor as it is had murder as a non-bailable offence until the privy council, foreigners ruled that it was apparently inhumane.
Now it's a free for all, there is no deterrent to crime

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby Trinispougla » October 17th, 2024, 10:28 am

hover11 wrote:
Trinispougla wrote:
hover11 wrote:
j.o.e wrote:
hover[emoji637][emoji637] wrote:
pugboy wrote:likely first defence will be some insanity plea
More than likely wouldn't fly, Hannah was buried years ago in the back yard while those two were living their best life in society , can't come now after the fact of being charged to plead insanity.


Doesn’t matter he gonna die of old age before case completes
True , they will get bail and case wouldn't call for probably another 10 years, gotta love this judicial system.

the TT judicial system, as poor as it is had murder as a non-bailable offence until the privy council, foreigners ruled that it was apparently inhumane.
Now it's a free for all, there is no deterrent to crime

unfortunately.

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby redmanjp » October 18th, 2024, 7:19 pm

if we decide to cut ties with the privy council and go with the CCJ does that invalidate their decision on bail for murder?

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby pugboy » October 18th, 2024, 7:24 pm

the uk thinking is that you get bail and a swift trial
but court system here doh work

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby redmanjp » October 18th, 2024, 7:28 pm

at a minimum everyone out on bail for murder should be under house arrest or curfew with gps tracker -cyah be out on bail for a serious crime and going around commiting more crime with impunity

Bail Act should be amended to suit

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby hover11 » October 18th, 2024, 7:39 pm

redmanjp wrote:if we decide to cut ties with the privy council and go with the CCJ does that invalidate their decision on bail for murder?
That's a big if though, seeing such a decision requires a special majority which means both sides PNM and UNC have to agree to such. Neither side wants to make the other look good so that will never happen

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby K74T » November 1st, 2024, 5:07 pm

Secrets gone to the grave

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby pugboy » November 1st, 2024, 6:21 pm

prob couldn’t adjust to prison conditions at that age

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Re: Vanished teen found buried in family's backyard in Valsayn

Postby david12 » November 1st, 2024, 7:54 pm

Heard she hasn't been eating since October 15th

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