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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby RBphoto » September 12th, 2011, 8:17 am

I would assume that they would require some form of performance appraisal to ensure that the youths are indeed living up to their obligation to remain in a state of physical fittness to be part of the program. All this is laudable and looks good on ths surface. This falls apart on three fronts for me:

1) I am sure there are fat gang members
2) So if somebody falls short of the physical requirements, the assumption will be that they will go into a gang, so there is plenty room for corruption/ ghost athletes
3) Bandits will be a lot fitter come 2020.

Don't see it going to work. Why not pay public servants more so they could afford guns to shoot bandits?

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Oh... some sig material here....lol...

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby brickman » September 12th, 2011, 11:21 am

Thats $340mil that could go into the failing health care system,fix some more roads,pipes etc.Who is the idiot who came up with this plan?The U.S tried a failed plan of paying the taliban to stop,guess what millions paid & the same taliban fighters are still attacking them.I am getting fed up of these stupid decisions from a party of seasoned politictians acting like stupid newbs!!

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby 5onDfloor » September 12th, 2011, 12:48 pm

funny am not seeing the regular PP apologist in this thread...1Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

So now you are going to pay people not to commit crime? After all the Hullabalu and SOE this is the best KAMLA and her gang can come up with?..they shud demit office immediately cuz clearly they on sh!t.

She might as well offer $10,000 to the "BIG FISHES" to stop trade in drugs.

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby SmokeyGTi » September 12th, 2011, 1:01 pm

I understand teh whole bandit run from police ==> sport link but...
come nah man, they going to PAY them too?

i say jail all dey MC and let them do HARD LABOUR...
bring back the Chain gangs...let them at least paint some stone white...

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby crazybalhead » September 12th, 2011, 1:08 pm

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commenta ... 28553.html

This. And was talking to a friend in Guyana, who re-patriated to contribute to her country. They are working hard with a similar, if underfunded initiative. Instead of throwing money, each of the youths was interviewed and assessed. The same skills for a gang leader, is the same skill needed for a sports or business team leader.

She went intoa lot of detail. As usual in trinidad we think the solusion is to throw x million dollars at a problem. That money will just go into a black hole.

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby redmanjp » September 12th, 2011, 1:27 pm

EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:
No wait ent we don't pay tax if we work for less than $5k a month? somehow I feel them good days is over. somebody hadda wuk and pay for these gang members $1500 a month salary.

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wait is every frigging month? :shock: i thought was a one time ting!

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 12th, 2011, 3:18 pm

^ if they pay them once there will be no continued incentive to prevent them from going back to the gang

the article stated TT$1500 per month

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Chimera » September 12th, 2011, 3:38 pm

Duane organise a scene na, all ah we is members of the trinituner gang, we cud collect a lil $1500 a month each

government sharing out money, might as well get some

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby zoom rader » September 12th, 2011, 3:39 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:why should my tax money be taken to pay these unproductive members of society? so they can go and run ball during the day while I working hard to pay the govt tax?

DFC wrote:them cant be for real !!

This free handout will be thoroughly abused by the gang members.
it is alleged CEPEP and URP they had ghost gangs collecitng money. Men named Michael Jackson and Bruce Willis on the roster collecting money and one man passing to collect their salary on their behalf

just another chance for bobol

ABA Trading LTD wrote:cudda spend that money to pay more police officers to beat the bandits into submission.
I agree!

What tax do you pay?

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby S_2NR » September 13th, 2011, 1:28 am

lol @ trinis beatin up in here and talkin about nail in coffin..

tolerant trinis eh gonna do anythin! :|

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby K74T » September 13th, 2011, 10:02 am

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 13th, 2011, 12:57 pm

ABA Trading LTD wrote:Duane organise a scene na, all ah we is members of the trinituner gang, we cud collect a lil $1500 a month each

government sharing out money, might as well get some
you on your own there pardner


zoom rader wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:why should my tax money be taken to pay these unproductive members of society? so they can go and run ball during the day while I working hard to pay the govt tax?

DFC wrote:them cant be for real !!

This free handout will be thoroughly abused by the gang members.
it is alleged CEPEP and URP they had ghost gangs collecitng money. Men named Michael Jackson and Bruce Willis on the roster collecting money and one man passing to collect their salary on their behalf

just another chance for bobol

ABA Trading LTD wrote:cudda spend that money to pay more police officers to beat the bandits into submission.
I agree!

What tax do you pay?
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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby 5onDfloor » September 13th, 2011, 2:49 pm

let me get this straight ...Manning was using CEPEP and URP to feed his fellow party followers\guntas\community leaders (open to correction)...Kamla decides she will up the ante and pay dem not commit crime. I find this is a high degree of segegration, what about the rapists, car thieves, con-man, the pusher man etc? they deserve money too not so?

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby nervewrecker » September 13th, 2011, 8:15 pm

I dont mean to be a sheep......but how are we so sure this is not a strategy to fish out the 'gang members'?

Remember the set that pathos wined & dined...how much of them still around?

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Strauss » September 13th, 2011, 11:37 pm

speedaholic wrote:so why d phoq dey cant get jobs like everyone else? what makes them so special? :S


They feel people owe them something. 40 years of spoiling.

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby RadeonHD » September 14th, 2011, 3:10 am

The man does pay tax hoss.

Check the receipt from your grocery bill. You pay tax on a number of things. Even electronics, clothes, electric bill. KFC you name it.

So yes everyone of us here is entitled to cuss the government for this sh!t. I not sure if this is some kind of sick joke. I still find it hard to believe this is for real.

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby WarrLordd » September 14th, 2011, 3:56 pm

Well I hope this dead now after what I read this morning. The suppose innocent 21's ain't so innocent anymore since the police have evidence on them which is fawked up cause they let them go. I mean after all society is the one controlling things here as soon as someone goes out and talk about the government they does get scared and do reckless things to calm the people down I say firetruck that. Why give in to these people look after everything that happen some of them gone into hiding and now the media claims they have criminal records of some. I say stop this MTV trinidad surreal life reality show and start hanging them.

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 14th, 2011, 7:01 pm

RadeonHD wrote:The man does pay tax hoss.

Check the receipt from your grocery bill. You pay tax on a number of things. Even electronics, clothes, electric bill. KFC you name it.

So yes everyone of us here is entitled to cuss the government for this sh!t. I not sure if this is some kind of sick joke. I still find it hard to believe this is for real.
well besides that there is income tax and for business owners there is corporation tax, business levy and green fund levy along with NIS and PAYE etc

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby speedaholic » September 14th, 2011, 9:03 pm

^^ trinidad eh have enough jail fuh all dat hoss!

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Bizzare » September 15th, 2011, 10:09 am

This is basically minding criminals. Makes no sense and will backfire!!! Encouraging laziness FTL

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 15th, 2011, 11:57 am

a full prison is no excuse to stop arresting criminals :idea:

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Baghdad in Trinidad

Postby roadracer7 » March 10th, 2013, 12:49 pm

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/POS_the_new_Baghdad-129601233.html

Port Of Spain the new Baghdad


United Nations compares T&T murder rate to Iraq


Trinidad and Tobago now rivals Jamaica as the most violent country in the Caribbean, with the number of annual murders rising sharply from 98 to 550 over the last decade, with some areas in the Port of Spain police division being listed among the most dangerous in the world.
This is the finding of a new United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) draft report on Human Development and Citizen Security in the Caribbean, which noted, among other things, that the murder rate for Port of Spain was comparable to that of Baghdad.
The report also cites information stating that illegal guns are being rented for robbery and murder for as little as $100 an hour.
The report, which is expected to be released later this year, draws on the most comprehensive data on local gangs collected by the Crime and Problem Analysis (CAPA) branch of the Police Service and other detailed analyses, including a survey of 52 gang experts in all of the police districts nationwide and research conducted by Katz and Choate, among others.
An excerpt of the draft 2011 UNDP report which examines the nature and distribution of local gangs, obtained by the Sunday Express, pointed to evidence of some 95 gangs operating in Trinidad and Tobago, with a total membership of 1,269.
An analysis of the data, according to the draft UNDP report, found that the majority of criminal gangs were concentrated in three police divisions, specifically Port of Spain (which includes Belmont, Besson Street, St Clair, Woodbrook and St Barbs), Western (St James, Maraval, Carenage and Diego Martin) and Northern (which includes Arima, Arouca, Tunapuna, Cumuto, Maracas/St Joseph, Piarco, Malabar and Maloney.
Other areas with a notable gang presence include the Eastern division (which includes Sangre Grande, Mathura, Biche, Manzanilla, Mayaro, Matelot, Toco, Rio Claro and Valencia) and the North Eastern division (which includes Morvant, Barataria, San Juan, Santa Cruz, Maracas Bay and Blanchissuese).
Key findings of the report include:
• 26 per cent of local gangs place their "date of origin" prior to 2000, while the remaining groups trace their origin to after 2000.
• 83 per cent of gang members are of African origin, 13 per cent East Indian and four per cent of other ethnic backgrounds. All of the identified gangs are male-dominated and a high 87 per cent are comprised of adults.
• The majority of gangs, 86 per cent, have a group name, while 61 per cent refer to themselves as a gang, 26 per cent as a crew and 4.2 as a clip or unit.
• A large proportion, 88 per cent, claim turf while 75 per cent defend their turf.
• The vast majority, 85 per cent, do not have special symbols or identifying clothing; and almost without exception, illegal activity is accepted by all gang members.
• Two-thirds of the gangs have from six to 50 members, while 95 per cent are made up of Trinidad and Tobago citizens.
• The spatial distribution of crime in Trinidad and Tobago bears a striking similarity to the spatial distribution of gangs.
• An examination of gang-related murders for the period 2001 to 2010 shows that the largest proportion occurred in the Port of Spain division—42.6 per cent; followed by the North Eastern—18.8 per cent; Western—17.8 per cent; and Northern—15.9 per cent) divisions. These areas were also found to have a disproportionately large number of gangs.
The report drew upon the findings of the Besson Street Gang Intelligence History Project, which offered a rare insight into the nature and composition of gangs in Trinidad and Tobago. In this project, 368 gang members were interviewed, with data collected in 2005.
According to the report, the age distribution of the sample gives an indication of the typical age ranges of gang members. The majority of gang members were found to be young adults between the ages of 18 and 45.
More specifically, 26.1 per cent were between the ages of 18 and 21; 25.4 per cent between the ages of 22 and 25; and 33.7 per cent between the ages of 26 and 35. Only a small proportion of the sample—5.3 per cent—was 17 and younger at the time of the interview; whereas eight per cent of the sample was between the ages of 36 and 45; and 1.5 per cent of the sample was between the ages of 46 and 55.
Of the gang members surveyed, 51.4 per cent were previously arrested, with each member having an average of 2.09 arrests.
Arrest data indicate that gang members commit a larger number of crimes than persons who are not in gangs. Police data also show that gang members commit violent offences at three times the rate of people who are not in gangs.
Also, about 26 per cent of gang members were arrested for firearm-related offences, compared to 8.7 per cent of non-gang persons.
Similarly, 15.2 per cent of gang members were arrested for drug trafficking, compared to 3.2 per cent of non-gang members, according to the report which noted a similar over-representation in criminal offences for gang members for property offences, sex crimes and drug use/possession.
The draft report found that the largest proportion of gang-related murders for the period 2001 to 2010
took place in the Port of Spain police division.
Gang-related murders, according to the police data, account for 33 per cent of all murders in Trinidad and Tobago for the last decade.
"It may be the case that many more murders are committed by gang members, though the actual proportion is unknown," the report said, adding: "Given that murder motives are unknown for a large proportion of murders and given the low arrest and conviction rates for murders, it is plausible to assume that gang members may be responsible for at least some of the unsolved murders."
The report's experts found that two-thirds of local gangs are involved in fights with rival groups and that members not only use illegal drugs, but were heavily involved in organised fraud, robbery and other forms of armed violence.
It pointed to the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) and World Bank Report 2007, which found that illegal firearms had become so readily available that potential offenders could rent a gun for as little as $100 an hour.
The link between gangs and firearms was found to be a troubling one by researchers, who noted that firearm use has increased over time for a range of crimes, including murder, wounding with intent and shooting with intent. Data show that for the period 2002 to 2010, a total of 2,421 murders were committed with the use of firearms.
A total of 3,264 murders were committed for this period. The report found that firearms have become the weapon of choice for murders.
Prior to 2000, firearms were used in fewer than one third of all homicides nationally.
The report noted the negative impact of criminal gangs on society: high rates of crime and violence; reduction in work force and reduced productivity; increased burden on State institutions in the health and law enforcement and judicial sectors.
It drew upon the findings of an ECLAC report, which disclosed that the percentage of GDP spent on national security in this country has increased steadily, while welfare expenditure has remained relatively constant.
"The prevalence of gangs in some areas is also related to a decrease in investments in those areas and in reduced opportunities for employment," the report said, adding, "In neighbourhoods such as Laventille, there are no businesses except small shops owned and operated by local residents.
"An added consequence of gang presence in such neighbourhoods is the devaluation of property and land value."
It also leads to the migration of law-abiding citizens and law enforcement personnel to other communities, according to the report.
"This results in a concentration of persons who are either more accepting of gangs or a criminal lifestyle, as well as persons who have no other alternative but to live in such neighbourhoods. This implies that the social controls which may derive from law-abiding persons is continuously weakened in such neighbourhoods.
"Compounding this problem is the fact that there is a reduction or withdrawal of corporate sponsorship for community events or programmes in neighbourhoods with gangs," said the report, noting that "an even more troubling phenomenon is that communities may develop a bond with gangs and their leaders and especially in situations where gang leaders provide assistance to community members".
Research has indicated that criminal gangs may even provide a law enforcement function for some communities. Researcher Katz, examining data in Gonzales, found that gangs had instituted a community court which met weekly and in which community matters, including the disciplining of young males for transgressions against the community, were attended to.
"Indeed, one resident of Gonzales went as far as saying that gangs are the first ones to respond to crime, the police are incompetent, take too long and never finish the work." Residents expressed the view that gang leaders would take care of them.
The draft UNDP report, which presents detailed analyses of crime and approaches to crime-solving, said it may be extremely difficult to encourage residents to relinquish their association with and support for gangs in their area.
"In the case of Gonzales, if residents feel that gangs provide a necessary law enforcement function where the protective services have failed to do so, then similar bonds will develop between the community and gangs. This is an extremely difficult situation since it makes the eradication of gangs much more complicated," said the report.
It said a more long-term solution lies in eliminating the social conditions which encourage the formation of gangs, and which encourage youth to feel they have no alternatives but to gain membership.
"In the case of Trinidad and Tobago, being born into some communities automatically reduces one's life chances since this immediately comes with stigmatisation and labelling provided by the larger society.
"Social development initiatives should seek to encourage the integration of such communities with the wider society so that stereotypes may be broken. Ultimately, young males who feel alienated from mainstream society and the legitimate opportunities which it provides will turn to their communities and the illegitimate opportunities which are provided by gangs or other similar entities," said the report.

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Re: Baghdad in Trinidad

Postby fouljuice » March 10th, 2013, 1:23 pm

Story Created: Sep 10, 2011 at 11:39 PM EC
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But man have to eat ah food tho.

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Re: Baghdad in Trinidad

Postby roadracer7 » March 10th, 2013, 1:46 pm

yuh rite'' we done pass dah level a'ready i' woorse.

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Re: Baghdad in Trinidad

Postby Centric » March 10th, 2013, 1:49 pm

Old news.

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Re: Baghdad in Trinidad

Postby nemisis » March 10th, 2013, 2:27 pm

Steups jack said there is a decrease in serious crime/ thread

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Re: Baghdad in Trinidad

Postby S_2NR » March 10th, 2013, 2:30 pm

[typical trini] What blasphemy is this?!

Trinidad is paradise [/typical trini]

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Re: Baghdad in Trinidad

Postby black start » March 10th, 2013, 10:37 pm

thunder in?

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Re: Baghdad in Trinidad

Postby whyteliver » March 10th, 2013, 11:05 pm

sooo d popo cyah hold dong 1300 ppl????

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